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First time I complete a whole-month log. I only take very moderate supplementation (presently once a week) and did not include the amounts (which I don't even know, I should check them) in the logs. B3 is apparently what I lack more, evidently because the very few cereals I eat. Potassium is strangely sub optimal. Proteins are high although I try to practice protein restriction, but pls see the latest posts in the Caloric or proteic restriction thread.

Zinc/copper is not optimal as well as omega6/omega3. I'm definitely going to increase Zn  by supplementation, since I also read in another thread that it competes with cadmium, a mineral I sure ingest together with cocoa & chocolate. I don't know what to do about Omega6/Omega3, an high ratio is inevitable when eating liberal amounts of nuts and EVOO. I'm definitely not restricting methionine not leucine but their daily requirements are not yet precisely known.

Any further remarks are very much welcome.

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Hi mccoy,

 

I'm wondering if you've got your targets set in a funny way. If 2097 calories is 147% of your target then it seems like a very low target set for calories.

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Thanks for the tip Thomas, initially I set my target for a zero bodyweight variation, whereas I want actually to increase it. I'm a cronometer newbie.

 

Now I've set it at a 1 lbs increase per week, which grants me a 500 kcal surplus from my 1700 (BMR+exercise) value, so 2300 is going to be my new target.

 

I'm sure I won't be able to hit the target always but at least that's a memento I should eat more. Or maybe I should set a lower rate of increase...

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I don't know what to do about Omega6/Omega3, an high ratio is inevitable when eating liberal amounts of nuts and EVOO.

I solved this N6/N3 balance quest through grinding a few tablespoons of flaxseed. Presumably what we're told about flaxseeds is correct and not a lie from Big Flaxseed, ha (wait: is that a seed joke or flaxie-skepticism or sarcasm, I don't know...) But if you're not vegetarian, small amounts of sardines from the waters off Sardinia (or caught from God knows where) might be healthy if thou can blind thyself to the environmentalist concerns, and whatever random uncontrolled industrial chemicals may float from the world's beautiful oceans and into the cell's of those equally beautiful fish.

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thanks for the advise Sthira, I'm still in the process of renovating and optimizing my diet so all tips are welcome. I think I'm going to try ground flaxseed, since I do not eat fish. Do you grind flaxseed everytime or can they be stored in the fridge? And what about flaxseed oil? I remember somewhere it was strongly disadvised because it oxydates too easily. 

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thanks for the advise Sthira, I'm still in the process of renovating and optimizing my diet so all tips are welcome. I think I'm going to try ground flaxseed, since I do not eat fish. Do you grind flaxseed everytime or can they be stored in the fridge? And what about flaxseed oil? I remember somewhere it was strongly disadvised because it oxydates too easily.

I use a coffee grinder and grind each few tablespoons afresh. I read somewhere (probably here on this site) that seeds oxidize very quickly soon after grinding them. So I don't grind them and store them. With a coffee grinder it literally takes less than thirty seconds to grind them. If cronometer's numbers are correct, a few tablespoons of flaxseeds radically tilts the ratio to omega three: If this is healthy, who knows, my modus operandi is to review and follow advice of what's healthy, hurry up and eat this way because sure enough it'll be reversed soon, and it'll turn out that, whoops, nutrition scientists may have been relying on rat studies or were influenced by whatever partisan funding entity supported the research. Hurry up and eat flaxseeds while they're still healthy.

 

I don't do the flaxseed oil gig. All oils are probably lying to us. I try to buy pure olive oil from Amphora, they've a reputation, but frankly it wouldn't surprise me if, well, you get the drift. Flaxseed oil oxidizes, yes, that's what I've "learned" and so that's what I'm parroting back like a good little vegan consumer.

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 Hurry up and eat flaxseeds while they're still healthy...

 

Ah yes, lol, that's the attitude!

 

Sometimes what we do may even have a positive placebo effect.That would sure explain the phenomenon discussed in the other thread, completely different diets yielding similar benefits. Beliefs turning into reality.

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Bought 2 pounds of flaxseed, ground some of it, liked the taste of it, ground one pound, ensured the granular media is dry and with high porosity, put it in the freezer in a glass container. Such a condition should ensure that the media will be 'scoopable' with a spoon even if frozen. I'm going to have 3-4 tablespoons of it everyday, hope the solution is feasible, going to post the results.

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 Hurry up and eat flaxseeds while they're still healthy...

 

Ah yes, lol, that's the attitude!

 

Sometimes what we do may even have a positive placebo effect.That would sure explain the phenomenon discussed in the other thread, completely different diets yielding similar benefits. Beliefs turning into reality.

 

 

The placebo effect is pretty fascinating!  My suggestion though, is to make small changes to your diet over time and gauge how well you do. ;-)

 

Just as some folks can easily survive at very high altitudes while many can’t, people from different regions of the world have adapted to significantly different diets.  For example, the Inuit population in Alaska and northern Canada traditionally ate far more fat than most populations.  Their digestive systems adapted to the local environment and nutritional opportunities making them more capable of breaking down fats.  American Indians in the southwest are thought to have “thrifty genes”. Their bodies are more efficient at utilizing calories and need to consume less that most people their size to maintain a stable healthy weight.  Genetic differences allow some people to digest lactose and metabolize alcohol while many can’t. We see over and over again how people move to different regions changing their dietary habits to deleterious effect.   

 

We also know that gut bacteria likely influences our risk of disease and affects how we process foods.  From what I have read, changing our diets cause changes to the bugs in our digestive system.  

 

Very cool how adaptable and versatile we humans are!

 

-Pea

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Maybe the flaxseed have been part of my ancestral diet since I seem to love'em. They keep very well in the freezer and the ground concoction can be scooped very easily and tastes like freshly ground. I mix them together with EVOO and green tabasco, a real delicacy, hard to stop at a few tablespoons, soon going for the whole plateful!

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Potassium is strangely sub optimal.

It is strangely common for Potassium to be strangely sub optimal.

 

Proteins are high although I try to practice protein restriction,

I both bet and hope that you don't succeed ;) . The life extension community is suffering from widespread confusion on this point that comes from — and is certainly perpetuated by — overly-loose use of language (and what I suspect is willful ignorance at best on the part of vegan propagandists (I mean the ignominious Greger and possibly Mark McCarty, not you, of course). I have begged people over and over and over and over again to please, please, please, stop muddying the water by referring to limiting one's intake of some nutrient to RDAish levels as "restriction" of that nutrient. Biogerontological studies of protein-, Met + Cys-, Leu-, Trp-, or Calorie restriction involve restricting consumption of these nutrients to levels far below the animals' "RDA" intake; with the exception of the Calories in CR, I don't practice or endorse that, and neither does anyone I know of (including a few folks who do, unfortunately, refer to what they do as "restriction" of that nutrient).

 

Zinc/copper is not optimal as well as omega6/omega3.

This is unfortunately very common in CR folk, who don't eat much (Zn-rich, Cu-poor) meat even if they're omnivores, and eat a ton of (Cu-rich, Zn-poor) vegetables. Do have a look at the COM Oracle and see if there's an agreeable way to bring it back in line, either by lowering Cu or raising Zn, but don't hesitate to take that supplement if need be.

 

I don't know what to do about Omega6/Omega3, an high ratio is inevitable when eating liberal amounts of nuts and EVOO.

I can't agree: my diet is 40% fat, largely from eating liberal amounts of nuts and EVOO, and my n3 and n6 average 4.5 and 13 g, respectively. For n3, look at flax oil, ground chia seeds, or possibly ground flaxseed (tho' I remain nervous by mechanistic speculation about possible deleterious cognitive effects, due to the phytoestrogenic effects of flax lignans). To lower your n6, look at where it's coming from (hover your mouse over the %-of-target bar). Almost all of my nuts are hazelnuts, which are extremely low in n6 (and contain a small bit of n3 to boot), while still remaining low in SaFA.

 

I'm definitely not restricting methionine not leucine but their daily requirements are not yet precisely known.

Sure they are ;) . (Remember to sum up the requirements for Met+Cys (and for Phe + Tyr)

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Michael, thanks for the useful tips.

 

Re. protein restriction. I absolutely concur about the bad choice of words. Instead of 'protein restriction' I should use 'restriction from the abundance of proteins' or maybe even better 'Protein optimization', since my specific aim is to avoid triggering anti-longevity pathways and axes like mTOR and Insulin-IGF-1.

The above triggering quantities as far as I understand are not exactly known. Some researchers like Valter Longo suggest an RDA value of 0.8 g/kg/d as a 'safe value', but, due to fact that minimum protein requirement (as in all nutrients for sure) is a random variable, the RDA value may constitute abundance to the very lower percentiles of the population. The above is an issue I don't find discussed at all but it is an inevitable unknown when the quantity in discussion is probabilistic and not deterministic in nature.

 

Re. Met & Leu. Again, bad choice of words from my side. I read the NAS ponderous publication (parts of it) and the requirements are known. What is not known, as appears from recent research, is the signaling threshold for mTOR and IIS and other anabolic pathways. A safe intake of the mentioned AAs probably will not constitute abundance for most people but it may mean abundance for the lower percentiles. Not knowing, even probabilistically, such thresholds, is a main drawback of the optimization strategies.

 

Re. Omega ratios: I've already started to eat ground flaxseed but as per your hint I'm going switch to ground chia seeds as soon as I'm over with my stock of flaxseed, or at least I'm going to alternate the two. No sweat from my side to eat more hazelnuts, since I just love'em.

 

Re. zinc: started to take supplements, especially when I read about its possible protective role against cadmium in cocoa products.

 

Last but not least:

 

 

It is strangely common for Potassium to be strangely sub optimal.

 

LOL !!

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