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Dreem Headband Tracks Sleep and Enhances Slow-Wave Sleep

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I keep meaning to a proper post on this, but have finally been stimulated to do something rather than continue to postpone a really thorough one.

The Dreem headband is an amazing device, both for the quality of its sleep tracking and for its function of enhancing slow-wave sleep; there's a ton of science on this kind of closed-loop auditory entrainment tech using systems built for experimental use by scientists that are not available as consumer devices, and some reports on the Dreem specifically:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2018.00088/full
(This one actually on the Dreem).
https://dreem.com/assets/files/White_Paper_DREEM.pdf
(This also on the Dreem, with additional unpublished data from their studies of users in the field).

http://dx.doi.org/10.3389/fnsys.2014.00208
http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/17461391.2013.819384
http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/sleep/zsx003
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02170-3


http://www.jneurosci.org/content/35/17/6630


http://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(13)00230-4


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2014.00208/full

PMIDs 25389394 28337134

(Some of the above links and PMIDs are probably redundant to eahc other; my apologies).

Slow-wave sleeep appears to be particularly important for clearing out beta-amyloid at night, although the route and mechanism continues to be debated.

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Thanks Michael. The Dreem looks interesting. [There is also a Philips SmartSleep headband with some similar functionality to at least part of that of the Dreem.]

In the links I didn't see anything addressing potential EMF risk from an ARM computer on the forehead overnight -- other than that WiFi and Bluetooth are disabled then.

On the web site, it is interesting to look under Support at the Technical help pages. There are 13 responses to issues apparently brought up by users.

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Thanks for posting, I had not heard of this device but now I want one!  Do you actually have one and if so, how long have you been using it and in what ways do you think it has benefitted you?  I'm wondering if you can get the EEG, respiration, and heart rate data off of the device?  (I'm thinking of possible uses in addition to its deep sleep improvement or sleep analysis features, to further justify the expense). 

Also wondering if the device is "open" for hacking/development, for example I see strong potential for use as a tool to gain consciousness while dreaming (i.e. "lucid dreaming") through auditory or visual cues when REM sleep is detected though EEG and/or heart rate (possible improvement over existing lucid dream masks).  I'll contact its manufacturer about my ideas...

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Yeah, this definitely looks cool and like something I would love to try. It's a bit pricey for my budget, but we'll see.

One question I have is how loud it is. If this is sending auditory cues to you throughout the night, is it loud enough that it might bother a partner in the same bed? There is a lot of useful content on their website. I searched for an answer to this question but couldn't find one. The product videos make it look like it might be loud enough to bother someone else trying to sleep next to you.

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I respect Michael but he’s been wrong before on supplements like alpha lipoic acid. I looked into this and I’m smelling a scam here! The same kind of nonsense the supplement pushers have and continue to make profits on.

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On 10/14/2018 at 5:00 PM, Todd S said:

Thanks Michael. The Dreem looks interesting. [There is also a Philips SmartSleep headband with some similar functionality to at least part of that of the Dreem.]

Yeah, I actually got a free beta-test of the latter: it did a similar but qualitatively different job of subjectively improving the degree to which I felt refreshed by my sleep, but it was somewhat more of a PITA to use, as it has a wet electrode with partially-reusable pads, and it would now and then crap out on me in the middle of the night; also, it was a poor sleep tracker.

On 10/14/2018 at 5:00 PM, Todd S said:

In the links I didn't see anything addressing potential EMF risk from an ARM computer on the forehead overnight -- other than that WiFi and Bluetooth are disabled then.

I don't see any reason why they would address such an issue.

On 10/17/2018 at 6:50 AM, Gordo said:

Do you actually have one and if so, how long have you been using it and in what ways do you think it has benefitted you?

Actually the most important things it has clearly done for me are (a) to show me clearly that I wasn't going to bed when I tell myself I'm going to bed , thereby pushing me to actually go to bed on time (which probably even mickey-mouse trackers could've told me if I'd taken them as seriously — see (b)), and (b) to give me extremely satisfying sleep-tracking results in the morning.

It seems to increase the degree to which my sleep mentally refreshes me, tho' of course that's exactly the kind of thing most susceptible to placebo effects. Of course, I have no real way to know if it's improving my glymphatic system's functioning.

On 10/17/2018 at 6:50 AM, Gordo said:

I'm wondering if you can get the EEG, respiration, and heart rate data off of the device?  (I'm thinking of possible uses in addition to its deep sleep improvement or sleep analysis features, to further justify the expense). 

Also wondering if the device is "open" for hacking/development,

NOTA. Despite saying quite some time ago that it was in the cards, they haven't even integrated with Apple Health — my biggest annoyance.

On 10/17/2018 at 10:12 AM, Thomas G said:

One question I have is how loud it is. If this is sending auditory cues to you throughout the night, is it loud enough that it might bother a partner in the same bed?

It has some audible sound, but most of the sound and as I understand it all of the "pink noise" sounds that amplify your NREM slow waves use bone conduction.

On 11/19/2018 at 9:53 AM, mikeccolella said:

I respect Michael but he’s been wrong before on supplements like alpha lipoid acid. I looked into this and I’m smelling a scam here! The same kind of nonsense the supplement pushers have and continue to make profits on.

When I was expressing optimism about eg. LA (which I certainly never said was a sure thing), it was based on very preliminary research, in animals, and some very indirectly-relevant human work (diabetic neuropathy). Here we have multiple peer-reviewed human studies on the tech in general and two on the Dreem specifically. Do you have any evidence of a scam? If so, please post it; if not, please don't post unsubstantiated assertions.

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FYI, 2nd generations of the Dreem and Philips sleep enhancing headbands announced/shown at CES this week:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2019/01/08/sleep-tech-ces-2019/2505688002/

...along with a new 3rd sleep enhancing headband called Urgonight from another French startup, this one interestingly designed to be used during the day in order to enhance slow-wave sleep at night. The USA Today article I happened upon didn't include references to scientific studies supporting the idea the way a post from Michael would. 🙂

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Hi ALL!

During the past few years I've attended workshops here at the University of Rochester on "Mindfulness Based Stress Release".  Each of them lasted for 6 or 8 weeks, meeting once a week, usually for 2 or 2.5 hours.  The subject title is a bit misleading; the sessions actually taught you and gave you practice in Mindfulness (being present in the moment) and Meditation practices.

Mindfulness has made my waking hours more enjoyable and productive; and occasionally I do spend some time in meditation.

The whole approach also helps with insomnia, and enjoying a better sleep.

There are several books by John Cabot Zinn on the subject; googling the name will get you a wealth of information on the subject.

   --  Saul

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