KHashmi317 Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Uh oh .... here we go again on same ol' "were gettin' closer" cliche. Anyway, as the article suggests, certain animals don't seem to follow DNA clocks (bowhead whales). I don't think DNA clocks will work for CR'd organisms. " Because the maximum lifespan isn’t known " . Unless Al's gotta paper on that proving otherwise 😉 ======================https://www.newscientist.com/article/2338033-dna-clocks-suggest-ageing-is-pre-programmed-in-our-cells/ Closing in on true cause of ageing New Scientist | 24 September 2022 DNA clocks, which allow us to accurately work out how old almost any mammal is, are challenging old ideas of what really leads to ageing, discovers Michael Le Page ----Rhinos are among the many mammals whose age can be estimated using DNA clocks---- THE age of almost any mammal can now be accurately estimated from a tissue sample by analysing chemical tags on DNA. The finding comes from a study of nearly 200 species and could overturn our understanding of ageing. The team involved says the fact that all mammals seem to have the same “ageing clocks” shows that ageing is the result of developmental programs that have been retained during the evolution of mammals, rather than being solely due to accumulating damage. If something is conserved across different species, it is a sign that it is biologically important, says Steve Horvath at the University of California, Los Angeles, who led the work. “You simply would not be able to build these pan-mammalian clocks if there wasn’t something here that’s conserved.” The clocks are already being used by other teams to help study ageing and potential anti-ageing therapies. For instance, one team has shown that giving old mice young blood sets these clocks back in many organs, says Horvath. The new finding is a result of looking at which bits of DNA in cells have chemical tags called methyl groups added to them. These methyl groups get naturally added to or removed to alter the activity of genes, in what are known as epigenetic changes. These methylation patterns vary greatly in different types of cells. However, in 2011, Horvath showed that in human blood cells, certain small bits of DNA accumulate methyl groups in a consistent way over time, and so can be used to roughly estimate a person’s age. In 2013, his team identified another “epigenetic clock” that signals the age of any human tissue, not just blood, suggesting there is an ageing process common to all human cells. The team has also identified “epigenetic clocks” for different species, such as elephants. The latest clocks are based on studies of nearly 12,000 samples from 59 different tissue types across 185 species of mammal. This included several species each of lemurs, whales, goats, rhinos, bats, seals, kangaroos, wallabies, shrews and sloths, as well as the rock hyrax, Pacific walrus and platypus (bioRxiv, doi.org/jcn9). “What we show is that there are these certain locations – genomic regions – that gain methylation in an extremely consistent way in all of these very different mammalian species,” says Horvath. Based on these regions, the team has developed three versions of the clock. One estimates an individual animal’s age in years. Another estimates age relative to the maximum lifespan of the species, which can be converted into years if the maximum lifespan is known. Because the maximum lifespan isn’t known for some species, the team also developed a third version that calculates age relative to that at which sexual maturity is reached. The clocks are about 97 per cent accurate overall, but this varies from species to species. For bowhead whales, they were particularly poor, but this is probably because the existing method used to calculate the age of bowheads is inaccurate, says Horvath. Because the clocks work in such a wide range of mammals, he thinks they will work for any mammal, not just the species in the study. The team also did a number of other tests, showing, for instance, that the clocks run more slowly in mouse strains that are genetically engineered to live longer, and that they get set back to an earlier age when specialised cells are reprogrammed to turn them back into stem cells. The work has impressed others in the field. “This is a really good study,” says David Gems at University College London. The findings run counter to the overriding thinking on what causes ageing. The dominant idea is that it is due to accumulation of damage, for example to DNA, such as that caused inside cells by highly reactive molecules known as free radicals. But Gems says the epigenetic clocks add to growing evidence for an alternative idea that he calls the programmatic theory. The basic premise of this is that the body’s failure to completely switch off the developmental processes that build our bodies is the key to ageing. For instance, pruning connections between neurons in the brain is a vital part of development when we are young, but might contribute to cognitive decline in later life. “It doesn’t argue that molecular damage plays no role in ageing, rather that ageing is largely caused by other things,” says Gems. Horvath found many of the sites that gain methylation tags with age are next to genes related to development. These results support the idea that ageing is linked to developmental processes common to all mammals – and probably all vertebrates, too, says Horvath. “That, to me, is a smoking gun, that there are these processes that are conserved,” he says. “There must be some sort of a program.” ========= “The body’s failure to switch off developmental processes that build our bodies is the key to ageing” ============ -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Hi Khrram! I also subscribe to New Scientist -- their articles tend to be sensationalist; I much prefer Science News, which is a much better Science rag. About the article: methylation is only one way that the activity of a particular gene can be altered; there are other known (and unknown) epigenetic modifiers. Different tissue types in the same living animal plant or fungus have different epigenetic modifiers, likely activating a gene in one tissue while deactivating the same gene in another tissue. -- Saul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHashmi317 Posted October 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Saul said: Hi Khrram! I also subscribe to New Scientist -- their articles tend to be sensationalist; I much prefer Science News, which is a much better Science rag. Saul/ALL: Please realize that science mags like NS operate on a business model, as does the NY Times, etc. They gotta put food on the table, like everyone. Many of the experienced top journalist know the game and try to play it the best as the can given basic human desires for "hope" and "art" and "entertainment". That's what sells. As Chomsky noted in Manufacturing Consent, the top editors play the instrument carefully, fine tuning the violin strings, staying music and listenable, to squeeze as much "fact" and "hope" and "art" and "entertainment" as possible. A difficult superposition. Yes, I follow Science News, too. It sticks to topics and agenda that are far less philosophical than NS. Both mags have different goals and agendas. You gotta read 'em differently 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Yeah. I subscribe to, and read, both as well. (BTW, Science News is published by Science Service, which I think hosts the Intel Science Competition (which used to be called the Westinghouse Scholarship Competition, or something similar. I was a Westinghouse Honorable Mention in 1960.) -- Saul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHashmi317 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Cool Saul on the Westinghouse Mention! Science News has a good video channel, too (see below). I don't think any of the LE projects -- Calico, SENS, Buck, etc -- will make progress until they can figure THIS out: Edited October 12, 2022 by KHashmi317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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