mccoy Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Right now I'm experimenting a new variation of my day, fruit-based meal. 100% plant-based. This is it, with today's quantities: 600 grams oranges (1.4 pounds) 200 grams bananas 30 grams almonds & nuts 90 grams sunflower seed with 20% raisins (ground together) 40 grams 85% chocolate 50 grams orange peels (organic) Problem is that, Although I pretty much enjoyed the meal, I've been uncomfortable after that, a bloating feel in the stomach, a depletion of energies, to the extent that I almost thought about stimulating the vomit center. Now I'm all right but it's after 8 hours from the meal. Day before, same meal scheme, I had no problems, only variation being 350 grams oranges and 300 grams bananas. But we know that cumulative effects may happen. Bottom line: do you guys think you can spot anything which may clash, combination-wise? I'd like to go on with this combo, but what I hate most is having my energies pre-empted by stomach ache. Oranges and bananas do not jibe? Raisins do not combine with sunflowers? Sunflowers with bananas? Quantities? else? Thanks in advance for any opionions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthira Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I don't know if my comment will be helpful or not, but I personally keep a tight leash on sugary fruits like oranges, bananas, and raisins. Bananas I just won't eat. Oranges I love -- but the (organic) peels may be healthier than the actual sugar bomb within. Although I love oranges, I treat them sorta like candy. I wish for more sour citrus like kumquat actually, or at least some citrus for those of us not addicted to M&Ms (I'm looking at you, mom...) Grapefruit may be a less sugary option. Also I refuse raisins, although I do irrationally eat dried goji berries (because I'm a sucker easily parted by fakery & promises) and don't think dried goji berries are any healthier than dried grapes. But one part of my body sometimes won't listen to another part of my body, so there it is -- irrationality meets goji berries from China. If that sugary combo made you feel bad, take note. Maybe eat fewer sugary products? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Sthira, that satiating combo was an effort to eat a 100% plant-based meal. The nausea might have been due to too much sugar as you say, although I strongly suspect sunlfower & raisins had a villanous role in it. Combined with bananas. In a certain amount. Today I ate oranges first (650 grams) and after having digested them I ate my usual cultured cottage cheese. No nausea at all. Re. fruit: I've always been a fruit eater, without negative effects so far. We're speaking 40 years of fruit-indulgence. I'm aware of its present demonization by the low carbers, the fructose, the insulin peak (not always so significant) and so on. Even Longo does not include fruit in his longevity diet. I'm going upstream here but I trust my instinct. My recent experience with low carb (fruit=only 2 apples a day) resulted in a precipitous weight loss, which I don't need. It's a very interesting issue, which deserves further investigation. After having said the above, I'm going to avoid fruit for 5 days: tomorrow I'll start my second FMD. Do you know what makes me tick during those 5 days: the thought of the plentyful and luscious fruit I'm going to devour on the 6th day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthira Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I hear ya, man: I love fruit, too! All fruit! And fruit is a great way to break the 5-day FMD. At least for me -- luscious sugary watermelon, papaya, mango, berries, citrus, apples, pears, grapes... Yet for some reason cavendish makes my tastebuds actually hurt from sweetness. I keep telling people oh bananas are about to go extinct didn't you know and I've been saying that for a decade now and now people roll their eyes at me. Did you mention pineapple? Pineapple actually makes me jump up and down it's so delicious. Poor lost Hawaii creatures, gone to extinction, thanks pigs, pineapples, people. Good luck with FMD! It's loads of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I like bananas a little unripe, the ripe ones I find sweetish too. Pineapple is fabulous. Unfortunately, tropical fruit here is too often just a pale resemblance of the real deal in the tropics. If I lived in the tropics, I believe I'd join the ranks of the fruitarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthira Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Exactly what is your FMD? If you list what you eat, maybe I'll follow it, too. I've not yet tried my own homemade style FMD. I usually fast just water and coffee. Coffee -- jeeze, right. Coffee is my worst vice I'm afraid. While I'm not a complete addict (I can suddenly turn my back on it and go months without it) coffee certainly helps with performance energy when I've eaten nothing for days. That can't be healthy, I know. But, uh, shouldn't say this but I have professional dancer acquaintances who can drift pretty close to being coke heads or prescription shit I don't even want to know about -- all druggied up silently to please choreographers and patrons, blah, nasty biz to bodies... I realize you've listed your approach to FMD somewhere here, and I remember reading your diet and thinking gee that looks just like my normal diet: loads of leafy greens, crucifers, avocado, buncha salad "like rabbit food" people like to snigger at vegans, poke fun, fuck em. Meanwhile, I deduced somewhere (probably Daryl on longecity) that a good FMD mimick (a fasting mimicking mimicking diet haha) might be two avocados and some vegan green superfood powder, maybe something like "Amazing Grass Green SuperFood" powder to help with plant-based micronutrient needs. Keep it all around 700 calories or so. Hmm, I might try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sthira Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 One of my recent joys has been the discovery of the Woodstock fruit festival: http://www.thewoodstockfruitfestival.com/?overrideMobileRedirect=1 Oooo yes these people yes these people! Thank you, what a lovely video, some beautiful souls and look I see some acro! So much fun -- fruit, acro, hardwood forests, bonfires -- the world can be such a better place! Sthira, if it helps lessen the guilt, goji berries are surprisingly low GI very low at 29 according to http://www.drsarasolomon.com/goji-berries/& may have anti-diabetic properties: http://www.livestrong.com/article/474677-do-goji-berries-lower-blood-sugar/ Haha yes but "...Remember that moderation is key: Do not consume more than a handful a day..." Like yeah right sure but that's really hard for me to do! And: "....Human studies examining the blood sugar-lowering effect of goji are lacking. Scientists have experimented in animals and test tubes to evaluate hypoglycemic potential, however. One study found goji fruit extract significantly lowered not only blood sugar but also total cholesterol and triglycerides IN RABBITS!!!! haha with high blood sugar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted February 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Exactly what is your FMD? .... Meanwhile, I deduced somewhere (probably Daryl on longecity) that a good FMD mimick (a fasting mimicking mimicking diet haha) might be two avocados and some vegan green superfood powder, maybe something like "Amazing Grass Green SuperFood" powder to help with plant-based micronutrient needs. Keep it all around 700 calories or so. Hmm, I might try this. My FMD The two avocados solution turns out not to follow exactly Longo's proportions of 45-45-10%. The avocado FMD is more biased on fats, but that may even be an advantage, given the apparent neutrality of fats toward insulin signaling. Calories are according to bodyweight, from the scant data available (patent data and Longo's book) I built a reference table: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordo Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 800 g's of oranges and bananas would make me feel sick afterwards too. You guys ever try fresh goji's? They are pretty awful tasting, but that doesn't stop me from growing and eating them, haha. I should probably sun dry them and season them, but who has the patience for that ;) They are a very nice plant though, with a very long fruiting season: Lowes and Home Depot both had these last year, very nice looking plants especially at Lowes. They are REALLY easy to propagate and can be a nice landscaping plant too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Gordo, has the plant specific climate requirements? Just around my home there are so many blueberries bushes that I have to hire machines to weed them. Their thorns are killer. So far, I just tasted a few berries, not liking them. After having read this forum though, I'm convinced about the power of phytochemicals and going to take foraging walks pretty often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 800 g's of oranges and bananas would make me feel sick afterwards too. Ah, well, good to know that I'm not the only one with a limited-capacity stomach. I decided that, until oranges are available, I won't mix the two. Then I'm going back to the usual combo: apples, bananas, nuts. See if raisins-sunflowers mix is going to agree better with that. My problem is to have a portable, vegan meal that I can eat while working in front of a screen. Fruit and nuts are ideal. I tried fruit muesli soaked in milk (or soy milk) but it tends to bloat me without much mental satisfaction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordo Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Gordo, has the plant specific climate requirements? Just around my home there are so many blueberries bushes that I have to hire machines to weed them. Their thorns are killer. So far, I just tasted a few berries, not liking them. After having read this forum though, I'm convinced about the power of phytochemicals and going to take foraging walks pretty often. They can grow almost anywhere, they prefer hot dry summers, and alkaline soil (I dump wood ash around mine). They do like a lot of fertilizer or compost. Those wild blueberries are probably very good for you, although I've never had any blueberry I didn't like. Some of the wild ones I've tried in Maine were not great (and they are tiny), but I still ate tons of them. If you buy sundried goji berries from a store you can extract the seeds and grow them out, I've done this successfully, but its a lot easier to start with an actual plant instead, and you can get berries in the very first year. After that the plant will send up many shoots, any of which can be cut off and replanted as long as it has a little root attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthira Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 If you buy sundried goji berries from a store you can extract the seeds and grow them out, I've done this successfully, but its a lot easier to start with an actual plant instead, and you can get berries in the very first year. Very nice: now why didn't I think of this, ha, so I'm trying now: I wrapped a lucky seven dried berries happy side up in a moist paper towel, now the pre-miracle sits in the window sill, sunshine plus time plus moisture, like dank, and let's see if the mysterious yes happens. Thank you for this suggestion (say no to Home Depot & Lowes) and grow my own delicious goji berries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordo Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yea, I did it pretty much like this guy: https://youtu.be/j7wN2RVals0 But I also bought some plants from a seller on eBay, they were very cheap and grew fast, those ones produced berries in the first year. Plants started from seed are unlikely to bear fruit in the first year, but year two should be good and they will just keep coming back bigger every year after that. Since there are so many seeds in a small store bought pack of berries, and they are relatively easy to grow, it could probably make a great little side business... I should get my 10 year old on that, he needs a job ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthira Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yea, I did it pretty much like this guy: https://youtu.be/j7wN2RVals0 But I also bought some plants from a seller on eBay, they were very cheap and grew fast, those ones produced berries in the first year. Plants started from seed are unlikely to bear fruit in the first year, but year two should be good and they will just keep coming back bigger every year after that. Since there are so many seeds in a small store bought pack of berries, and they are relatively easy to grow, it could probably make a great little side business... I should get my 10 year old on that, he needs a job ;) Oh thank you again for this, so he finds tiny seeds within the berry. I'll try both both methods of separating seeds from their food and not. He also doesn't wait for them to sprout first, just straight up plants seeds in dirt. Hmm... Postscript: Do Careful Be with any smart ten year old growing gateway seeds: tragic to defy Trump ain't it (is growing seeds legal?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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