Mike Lustgarten Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyU6Cw51sNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lustgarten Posted October 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Uhhh, no it's not, that's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lustgarten Posted October 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Interesting how you didn't watch the video or read the studies, yet you have an opinion. Do you talk about books just based on their title and cover? Smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintor Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Some people... Thanks Mike for that summary.... the drop of mortality related to chocolate intake is surprisingly high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike41 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Almost guarantee it’s an association. 18 grams of chocolate a week, seriously Edited October 17, 2021 by Mike41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lustgarten Posted October 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 There's RCT data in the video for chocolate's effects on insulin sensitivity and BP, and other RCTs are in the video's description. That's evidence that it's more than just an association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 And who supplied the information for your video? -- Saul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lustgarten Posted October 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 For the 1st study in the video (https://www.aging-us.com/article/203302/text), there wasn't any external funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 11:31 AM, DHL said: Chocolate Chip Ice cream is the most beneficial. Butter Pecan Ice Cream is like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 10:34 AM, DHL said: All these studies are ridiculous. Eat healthy food, and eat chocolate and ice cream. Enjoy life, relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 22 hours ago, Mike41 said: Almost guarantee it’s an association. 18 grams of chocolate a week, seriously MMMmmm, yes, conceptually speaking, it's hard to consider it plausible that 18/7= 2.5 grams average of chocolate per day can make a difference. Unless there is some powerful compound in it. I would be tempted to say it's epicatechins, but in chocolate, they are not so concentrated as in unprocessed cacao powder. Is it ccoca butter? 1000-1500 mg per day? As powerful as metformin gram per gram? Any hypotheses on the mechanistic causes provided by the sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoy Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) OK, now I saw all the video but I'm still dubious. Also, we discussed at length in previous threads epicatechin content of cacao powder, which is very variable according to processing and types (for example, I mentioned that El Ceibo cacao is probably the highest in polyphenols and probably epicatechin as well). I may agree with the studies based on 100 grams of chocolate per day, but those based on 2.5 grams per day seem to be a bit of a stretch, unless the epicatechin has been added. It should be possible to infer the optimal amount of epicatechins according to that study, I wonder if the data is there. Edited October 18, 2021 by mccoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lustgarten Posted October 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, mccoy said: MMMmmm, yes, conceptually speaking, it's hard to consider it plausible that 18/7= 2.5 grams average of chocolate per day can make a difference. Unless there is some powerful compound in it. I would be tempted to say it's epicatechins, but in chocolate, they are not so concentrated as in unprocessed cacao powder. Is it ccoca butter? 1000-1500 mg per day? As powerful as metformin gram per gram? Any hypotheses on the mechanistic causes provided by the sources? Epicatechin, that data is in the video. Ah, now I saw your 2nd comment! Edited October 18, 2021 by Mike Lustgarten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tea Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) On 10/18/2021 at 4:46 PM, mccoy said: Any hypotheses on the mechanistic causes provided by the sources? Maybe it is related to the high stearic acid content of cocoa butter. There is a lot of discussion on longecity about stearic acid's influence on mitochondrial fusion. Also of interest: https://mobile.twitter.com/matthewjdalby/status/1310966867566178307?lang=en Edited October 20, 2021 by tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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